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28 August 2009 @ 03:04 pm
Nowgold, I'm calling you out  
Whoever copy/pasted my f-locked post to nowgold I just want to say thank you. I'm glad she saw it. I hope you link her this public post so she can come here and explain herself.

After four days of nonstop harassment from nowgold, the Team Angel mod has stepped down. Yes, a grown woman bullied a teenager until she was so fed up with the drama that she left.

Nowgold is telling people that I'm making shit up. Well, every single Team Angel, Team Buffy, Team Firefly, and Team Dollhouse mod saw what you said. How you were so nice to Team Angel while you were bitching in your mod comm. They saw how you let Ru make a post blasting a Team Angel member. I have witnesses to your true colors.

Oh yeah, and I have logs. Delete the posts all you want, bully the mods who spoke out. Logs don't lie. Here's a taste, as proof:

scratch that, who cares what we do cos people will just bitch about us anyway?

I mean why bother sticking around if you are just going to use your team comm to bitch about me and the mods behind our backs, then you can just GO AWAY.

oh and whoever is telling the team members what we say in here, can go tell them that. GRRRRR ARGH. WHY do you bitch about what decisions we make when you don't even take the time to comment on the OPINION POST.

I KNOW, lets just tell our opinions to each other and then leave the comm.

GOOD. GOOD I SAY. you do that.


oh yes, angry rant is vague and angry.

I will not apologise. Its here instead of out there.

I'm so sorry that i put in 2-5 hours a DAY running this stupid peice of crap.


Sound familiar? Go ahead, push me, bitch about me in your comm, bitch about members. You continue to bully people, I will send my proof via PM to every. single. member. of Whedonland. And oh yeah, I've opened up that other post, with all the evidence. I'll PM that too.

You want to bully someone, you come bully me, a grown woman. Instead of picking on kids.

And she responds!



I want to explain myself, but at the same time i fear it would just make things worse.

I don't really feel like saying any more and having you splash my name around with more "Evidence". Frankly, had i done the same with your name, i imagine you'ld be pretty angry.

I never picked on sophie. I actually thought she was my friend, and we chatted often. the last aim i said to her was about your post, and why it happened. i can't prove it, but i said
"I thought we were friends"
and she said something along the lines of
"We are, i'm sorry, this has all gotten out of control"
although i doubt those are the exact words. I can't remember, i don't have a very good memory, and like i said, i don't keep posts or ims or anything.

I appreciate your concern for sophie. I understand where you are coming from.
(i'm sure this translates in your head to i'm bitching about it..)

If you're the non-wanting-high-school drama person you claim to be, feel free to respond, but i probably won't respond back if you're going to slam me with more bashing.

This seems to be a case of people taking 'one line from a long book' and saying that is what the book is about.

you know the funny thing was, after your help with the six degrees game, and then your clear comments at the angel's issues thread, i was hoping sophie would pick you (or some others) as team rep. I actually imagined you'ld be a valuable member who would tell me when i was wrong.

I guess you would have been. Pity you took one comment taken out of context to launch a witch hunt.

Tash.


And my response!



Yeah, see, I was all ready to be a calm adult until your very last line:

"Pity you took one comment taken out of context to launch a witch hunt."

I didn't take one comment out of context. I took an entire post where you "vented" (as you guys like to call it) about Team Angel while at the same time playing nice and acting like you cared about their suggestions.

You "vented" at your community with and I quote here:

"scratch that, who cares what we do cos people will just bitch about us anyway?

I mean why bother sticking around if you are just going to use your team comm to bitch about me and the mods behind our backs, then you can just GO AWAY.

oh and whoever is telling the team members what we say in here, can go tell them that. GRRRRR ARGH. WHY do you bitch about what decisions we make when you don't even take the time to comment on the OPINION POST.

I KNOW, lets just tell our opinions to each other and then leave the comm.

GOOD. GOOD I SAY. you do that.

oh yes, angry rant is vague and angry.

I will not apologise. Its here instead of out there.

I'm so sorry that i put in 2-5 hours a DAY running this stupid peice of crap."

That is why people are so upset. They are so upset that you would pretend to actually care and then post this. To allow your mods to jump in on the Team Angel action. Ru even called the people making suggestions "fuckwits". In what universe do you think that is okay? To allow one of your mods to insult your members? And honestly, if you think the community is a piece of crap, maybe it's time to give it up. If you are putting so much time and effort into something that makes you so pissed off.

People told you that they were afraid to comment on the main opinion post because everyone over there was being so awesome. They didn't want to get jumped for saying something was wrong. They thought their team community was a safe space for them to discuss the issues they had. If you look, nobody once said word one bad about you. They had a problem with the way Ru responded, Ru who had a history of being less than nice in responses to people, which was all seen on various posts, Ru who made a post about cafedemonde because she didn't agree with the voting. There was no bashing, it was more like this person needs to be a little more nice and you agreed!

You were just upset because unlike in the main comm, everyone wasn't kissing your ass, telling you how awesome you are. What has people so upset is that they thought they could come to you to address concerns but while you were smiling at them, you were talking shit about them in the other comm.

And the thing was, I was all ready to help out in any way possible because I thought you were listening to us, that you actually were supportive of constructive critcism (which it was). When I found out that at the exact moment you were saying oh yes, these are good suggestions, you were posting on that "rant" post.

The Sophie thing is a whole other issue entirely. I only have what she sent me in terms of logs and back forth between you and the emails and Tweets she made in regards to how upset she was. I don't think she would go to such lengths if she didn't feel like she was very upset and she felt like she was being harassed. She even went offline yesterday specifically because she was so upset at the way you and the other mods were treating her.

She spoke out because what she saw happen in that mod comm was wrong. If you were so pissed that people were speaking out, then don't make a suggestion post asking for suggestions. Let them "vent" themselves out in their team comms. And really, whenever someone starts saying "I sacrifice SO MUCH for you guys and this is the thanks I get", it's time to stop modding the community.

Kel


And another response from her. I do find it very amusing that she can't seem to understand how wrong it was to even bash a team to start with. Like it's perfectly okay because she posted this BEFORE the suggestion post but then continued on this thread as she talked to Team Angel members.



The only think i can say is i posted this rant BEFORE i posted the thread at team angel asking for your opinion. I DID NOT make it after, infact the posts and comments that came after are about your legit concerns.

There is just no way this is going to blow over if i continue talking. I'm NOT the best person with words, and i know Maidel is and she's been pming.

I have not been aware of ru calling anyone a fuckwit...please if you have evidence send that to me.

At the moment, this needs to stop, not for me, because i'm not going to be the one that suffers in two weeks time. The people that are going to suffer, who already are suffering are on team angel and they are already getting frustrated by all the leaving posts and their crpytic drama.

If people want to read your posts, fine. people can take what you say if they believe that. But team angel is hurting, and not because of me.

And, really, do put yourself in my shoes and think about how you would have reacted as mod in my situation. You get a bunch of out of the blue comments. You want to vent. where do you go? You then post a thread in the team comm asking for concerns, which if you were still a member, you would see the changes being made. I am changing things. The team angel members who don't believe us mods are cheating (which we are not - i mean, i count the points, why cheat when i could hypothetically put up any points number in the sidebar what would be the point. I AM NOT DOING THIS, because the points DO NOT MATTER TO ME)

What matters to me right now is team angel. There have been leaving posts, there have also been other members coming out of the woodwork to try and have some fun in between these posts.

As you can see, i'm not really defending myself here - i don't see the point, i'm not on your flist, sophie is, you're going to believe her, and the only request i have is that you leave it be.

Tash


I'm done talking to her. She clearly has something wrong with her if she thinks what she did and is continuing to do is okay. And apparently, I am the debil. Yes, well, I am evil. So here you are, for your viewing pleasure, the ru "fuckwit" comment along with another gem I particularly enjoyed:



ru_salki99 on August 26th, 2009 03:02 pm (local)
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I was just about to put up an angry rant myself about 'complainers' and this soooo cheered me up that I don't think I'll have to anymore.

^_____^


ru_salki99 on August 26th, 2009 03:10 pm (local)
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I was just about to put a post up here regarding the people who weren't successful in becoming a banner minion.

Actually, now that I've started typing it to you, I think I will. I need to vent a bit.

But you know *hugs* people are (excuse my language) fuckwits, and as a collective they will always be fuckwits. There's just nothing we can do about that apart from accept the fact that they are fuckwits, pity them, and move on.



ETA1: To those people who say I'm making this up, again, I have the posts from the mod comm bitching about Team Angel. The person that gave it to me has asked me NOT to repost them at this time because they want to save them in case this gets more heated. However, including myself, two other members of Team Angel have seen them and can vouch for them. I refer you to the tidbit above.

ETA2: As of 10:43am PST Saturday August 29th, I have made this prediction to one of the mods of Whedonland who has contacted me: "I'm very sure after this message to you, there will be a post on Whedonland opening up the moderator community, with the "venting" posts mysteriously deleted." Watch for it!
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Heather: BTVS - Fuffy 2americangrl69 on August 28th, 2009 10:46 pm (UTC)
Oh so now she's complaining because we're not all stupid blind little puppets she can just pull the strings too. Nice very nice.
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 28th, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
This is, by far, the tamest thing from that entire log of 60 or so comments. It just continues like that, it's absolutely vile.
(no subject) - americangrl69 on August 28th, 2009 10:59 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Sarah: A2A:  Alex/Geneboy_named_susie on August 28th, 2009 10:59 pm (UTC)
You are so fucking awesome!
Kelly: DW: 10/Donnaxlivvielockex on August 28th, 2009 11:00 pm (UTC)
*smooches* Phone call this weekend? Sat or Sun? Text me.
(no subject) - boy_named_susie on August 28th, 2009 11:13 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Nikki: true blood: Eric who? what?nikkiwawa79 on August 28th, 2009 11:03 pm (UTC)
THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU
This is very Philly of you. This is shit I'd do, too. Then again, you're Italian and I'm Rican so, it comes with the territory ;D

I'm laughing so hard, right now.

Kelly: TB: Lorena FIERCExlivvielockex on August 28th, 2009 11:05 pm (UTC)
Re: THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU
She saw this post and she went after the Team Angel mod AGAIN. So like all bullies, instead of picking on someone her own size, she choses to pick on the kid again. Classy. Real classy.

Edited at 2009-08-28 11:05 pm (UTC)
Re: THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU - nikkiwawa79 on August 28th, 2009 11:12 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU - xlivvielockex on August 28th, 2009 11:18 pm (UTC) (Expand)
do do do dosentine on August 28th, 2009 11:14 pm (UTC)
Reminds me of this Buffy quote: "Why don't you pick on someone your own size?"

you are just going to use your team comm to bitch about me and the mods behind our backs

Where did she see that? And since we have all the copies, it's easy to see. Or maybe, saying "I don't like how the voting is done" or "use anonymous urls instead of members' to prevent cheating" means "bitching about me and the mods". I need a nowgold/English dictionary.
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 28th, 2009 11:17 pm (UTC)
You & me both.

And instead of coming here and going up against the girl with the big girl panties, she is STILL going after the kid. STILL.

Apparently she says she doesn't want to defend herself because "she doesn't care about me". This has nothing to do with me and everything to do with her continued harassment of a teenager, her allowing a mod to post an entire post about bashing a Team Angel member, and being completely two faced. Me, I never entered into it except to defend people that had no idea what was going on.
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Emilymalana on August 28th, 2009 11:43 pm (UTC)
In the application post for new team mod:
I have never, and will never tell you what to write in this comm, it's yours to do with as you please.


HA!

Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 28th, 2009 11:45 pm (UTC)
That is hilarious, considering she told the Team Angel mod to post that spanking post. I have the original post too, before the other mod changed it.
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Stefstarbuck42084 on August 28th, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
This makes me so glad that I haven't participated over there in weeks. I'm done. I've had enough drama in my life lately. I come online to get away from RL/drama BS. Not the other way around.
Nikki: ats: angel does NOT approvenikkiwawa79 on August 28th, 2009 11:49 pm (UTC)
So glad you missed all the drama, bb. OMG you would have got heated and cussed someone out lol

I come online to get away from RL/drama BS. Not the other way around.
THIS SO MUCH!
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Lisa: Faith Cigarretteobiwahn on August 29th, 2009 12:28 am (UTC)
Good for you. I refused to join this when it first started, as I didn't like all the hoops you have to jump through to be on your favorite team. Also, it's run by people who should just stick to their elitist communities, IMO. If you have a community like this you should welcome everyone who is part of the fandom and treat them with respect.
Kelly: Buffy: Faith's Minexlivvielockex on August 29th, 2009 12:30 am (UTC)
I think I love you.

Can I have your fandom babies?
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i was trying to remember your name: ◊ angel. to live the lives we stoleofpaint on August 29th, 2009 01:18 am (UTC)
After your last post I left whedonland. ANd seeing this now, I'm so glad I did.
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 30th, 2009 05:56 pm (UTC)
I think that if someone would have just apologized, if they had just left Sophie alone, I never would have even posted about this.

It'll only be a matter of time before they talk shit about another team and this happens all over again.
Sunny: Buffy don't caresunny_serenity on August 29th, 2009 05:45 am (UTC)
This makes me so disappointed in the Whedon fans. Guess I'm not joining that comm... *sigh*
Kelly: Buffy: Scythexlivvielockex on August 30th, 2009 05:55 pm (UTC)
At this point, after all that has happened, I just find it funny. Not in the whole oh it's funny that people got talked shit about but more funny like jeeze, we can wank with the best of them!
FemailoftheSpeciescafedemonde on August 30th, 2009 07:17 am (UTC)
RU made a post about me? Like other than the replies to my comment about the voting?
Kelly: Buffy: Spike Defxlivvielockex on August 30th, 2009 05:54 pm (UTC)
CRAP. I forgot to edit that part out. I was in such a rush yesterday. I never wanted you to find out about that.

But yes, in the moderator comm, Ru made a post about you to "vent" (as they call it).

I'm so sorry, I didn't want you to find out. *sighs* I screwed up. I'm really sorry.
FemailoftheSpeciescafedemonde on August 30th, 2009 10:23 am (UTC)
Oh I found it and responded. I wasn't happy about it. I'm never involved in this stuff.
Kelly: Buffy: Spuffy Arkaniumxlivvielockex on August 30th, 2009 05:54 pm (UTC)
I think she made a post in Whedonland about it yesterday but yeah, in the moderator comm, she did it.
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do do do do: sunshinesentine on August 30th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
I already knew that, according to ru_salki, I had "insufficient graphic skills". Now I know that I'm a fuckwit with "insufficient graphic skills" :)

Let's see what happened on whedonland, shall we?

Winners for Wanted Posters.
1st Place: sentine Team Angel

Icon Challenge
Special Category (Most Interesting Interpretation of the Theme): sentine Team Angel

Whaiku Challenge
3rd Place: sentine Team Angel

Post Secrets
3rd Place: sentine Team Angel

Yep, guess there are a lot of fuckwits ;)
ru_salki99ru_salki99 on August 31st, 2009 08:10 am (UTC)
okay, I'm sorry, I was going to try and not comment here, but the quote about me calling people fuckwits, did I mention one particular person? Did I even mention a team? I was talking about people in general because it's true. The individual may be extremely intelligent but once they are part of a larger group, everything becomes dumbed down.

'dumbed down' isn't what I really want to say here, but I'm dyslexic and I can't think of another phrase to use in place of that. Also, that may be why I sometimes come across as being either not nice or rude (if you actually knew me at all then you would know that, that is far from the truth) and I can only apologise for that.

However, I completely understand why this would upset and anger you all, so I'm not saying you are in the wrong for posting this, hell if it was me I would post something similar in my LJ, in fact, I'm sure I have. But I do think Sophie has taken things out of context. I don't remember her once posting anything about what we were saying upsetting her, in fact, I don't remember her posting anything in the team leaders comm. perhaps if she had told us that our choice of language was out of order and upsetting then something would've been done about it there and then.
do do do dosentine on August 31st, 2009 08:52 am (UTC)
did I mention one particular person? Did I even mention a team?

Oh please. As far as I've seen, before I left whedonland, the only people who commented on the "banner minions" results (telling you that maybe it would be wiser to rephrase the "insufficient graphic skills" thing) were from Team Angel. And the only people who commented about the actual "results" (me included, and I said "colour me not surprised") were also from team Angel.

At least, take responsibility for what you say.