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26 August 2009 @ 09:39 pm
I'm so pissed.  
Okay, there is some fucked up shit going on at Whedonland. I know a lot of members on my flist are players there and guess what, this isn't going to be a happy post. A lot of people have no idea what is going on. Flocked of course, so don't go run tattling to certain two-faced mods. Someone on my flist already tattled so it's public now. Though frankly, I'm so pissed off, I don't even care if they find out. They are being assholes.


A member of Team Angel was treated very rudely by a Whedonland mod and put a post up that she was leaving. A lot of us came out of the woodwork in support, venting our frustrations at the way some things were going, things that were said, etc. It was mostly a supportive we see why you are going, we love you post. Because honestly, everyone did love this person. They were a team cheerleader, always participated, etc. We all thought it was a safe space to vent. Apparently, your team comms aren't.

A post gets put up about please, come to me, tell me what is wrong, no point in dodging blame by the owner. It gets over 100 comments with valid points. Things have to change. The way people are being treated sucks. People are scared to post in the main feedback post with their concerns for fear of being jumped and ripped apart. We really think things are going to change. I even go so far as to put in time and work to set up a chat room that is all pretty and sparkly. I'm confident Team Angel and Team Buffy are going to get treated better.

Of course, over in the super sekrit mod comm, there is talk about deleting Team Angel completely. All the concerns that she seemed so supportive of, she presented as being so horrible and all the posts people made, so bad as well. There was never really any intent to change a damn thing. A post is drafted basically spanking Team Angel for even daring to say anything bad in their comm. How dare they express opinions in the only safe space. This post isn't drafted by Team Angel mods or Team Angel members, nope. However, Team Angel mods are told that they better post this to basically prove their modlyness, no matter how much they disagree with the intent. Team Angel mods get in trouble for telling people about all the trash talk going on in the super sekrit mod comm about Team Angel and Team Angel members (not to mention trask talk about other teams and members). They have to make an example of them! Cause you can rant and vent in your super sekrit comm but Teams aren't allowed to do it in theirs.

Fuck. this. shit. Seriously.

The mod at Team Angel is a close friend. Some of the people being trash talked about are my close friends. I don't appreciate my friends being treated like this. I don't appreciate anyone getting treated like this. Yes, the internet is srs bsns apparently. And honestly, if you don't have a thick skin, then don't fucking run a comm! And if you want to bitch about members, do it over email, not in a public space where it can get back to people.

I'm so done with this. I can't believe anyone would be expected to put up with such two-faced bitchery.

Now with links! (And I know, I am breaking the unwritten LJ law but this is in a community, not someone's personal LJ)

Member Leaving
Nowgold's first post
Nowgold's second post

ETA: Fishy things pointed out by a Team Angel member: Btw, Kelly, she has your name listed as Mod's Choice but the number is listed as A05 (which is what cafedemonde is listed as) and your team as Dollhouse. Looks to me like you either won 3rd to begin with (which is where cafedemonde ended up) or you were chosen as Mod's and maybe she had planned to switch you out with the team DH person and fucked it up. It is curious.

ETA2: From another Team Angel member: A majority of the members of Dollhouse voted for one of [The Dollhouse moderator's entries] (which was a Firefly one!). Nowgold also voted for this entry. And [The Dollhouse moderator] voted for Nowgold (that was the only vote she received). Now I may be paranoid, but if it doesn't tend to prove that nowgold is an active part in the cheating...

ETA3: Even more: I think nowgold not only knows about the cheating but actively participates. Speed games are very most of the time won by Dollhouse and Firefly. So are the games where you have to guess something. Often goes to three members of the same team. I just don't care about the points, but it's both childish and profoundly unfair.

I was really shocked to see juliet42 vote for the wallpapers.


ETA4: From a moderator's Twitter: @xlivvielockex not directly, but I can still definitely feel the heat. And she's making a few snide comments here and there about our team.
about 2 hours ago from web


ETA5: From another moderator: in one entry (made by ru) they even talk bad about a specific Team Angel member. [name withheld but I have it] because of their attitude for various competitions and voting.

ETA6: Nowgold claims to have no say in what is posted in Team Comms but I have the exact copy, word for word, of the original post spanking Team Angel for speaking out before a Team Angel mod modified it. It was written by nowgold and the mods were told to post it in Team Angel.

ETA7: Due to four days of nonstop bullying by nowgold and others Whedonland heavyweights, the mod of Team Angel has stepped down. This person who was bullied, is a teenager. Nowgold is an adult.

ETA8: As of 10:43am PST Saturday August 29th, I have made this prediction to one of the mods of Whedonland who has contacted me: "I'm very sure after this message to you, there will be a post on Whedonland opening up the moderator community, with the "venting" posts mysteriously deleted." Watch for it!

ETA9: The mod in question has asked me to hold off on publishing the entire "venting" threads. However, I have posted several snippets including some messages back and forth between myself and nowgold. Unlike some people, I have nothing to hide.

And if you want to unfriend me because you think the sun shines out of her ass, even while she is talking about deleting your team, it's all good. No hard feelings, promise! This just needs to be on the table! I am editing this post as new evidence comes to light too.

FEEL FREE TO COPY/PASTE THIS AND ALERT TEAM MEMBERS! JUST REMEMBER TO FLOCK IT OR YOU WILL END UP WITH WANK ON YOUR FACE!
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do do do dosentine on August 27th, 2009 08:23 am (UTC)
Just a gut reaction right now, because I'm floored, but I'll comment a bit later.
I'm leaving whedonland immediately.
Kelly: Buffy: Spike Defxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 08:35 am (UTC)
I've seen a lot of shitty things go down in this fandom but this kind of two-facedness takes the cake. To encourage us to give her feedback in one post while trashing us and talking about deleting us in another on another comm? Low.

And we weren't the only team she was complaining about either. As another team member said to me tonight "Let FF and DH play in their little sandbox."
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M: Buffy Faith you think we'd go for tea?spankulert on August 27th, 2009 10:54 am (UTC)
I'm so sorry to read this. I wasn't aware anything was going on, but then I'm a newbie to wl.
Kelly: Buffy: Scythexlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 06:39 pm (UTC)
Well sadly, that was part of the problem. Nowgold was being nice to everyone to their faces, pretending to listen to their concerns, and then turning around and talking shit about them on the mod comm. She knows cheating is going on, she doesn't care. She knows people are unhappy, so she just threatens to delete their teams to keep them quiet. It is really messed up.
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i was trying to remember your nameofpaint on August 27th, 2009 11:17 am (UTC)
Really? Wow.
I'm in Team Buffy and tbh, I don't participate much. So I had no idea any of this was going on because there's so many comms to follow and keep up with.
Kelly: Buffy: Ozxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
The community it is going on is is locked to all non-mods. However, one of the mods is a good friend of mine and she was really upset about this. She got slammed for allowing her members to get upset and out of hand, which was hardly the case since nowgold made the damn post for suggestions in the first place! It's just a really messed up situation full of cheating and backstabbing.
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Kelly: Buffy: Scythexlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 06:41 pm (UTC)
I was probably one of the biggest supporters of the community. I recruited plenty of people to join. Because of this, the way she treats members, I would tell anyone even thinking of joining to run screaming away and I would tell anyone in the community now to drop it as soon as possible.
WeHo M.: BtVS - Dirty!Bad!Wrongafrocurl on August 27th, 2009 07:03 pm (UTC)
This really shocks me (but then it's fandom so I shouldn't be surprised.)

However, I had one of my team mods talk to me about some sort of advisory position last night, which really puts my head into a spin.

What exactly were your teammates complaining about?
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 07:11 pm (UTC)
Well, it started out innocently enough when one member said she was going to leave. A couple of people chimed in saying they were going to leave too because they felt the voting was kind of one sided. And everyone got to talking about how it would always be impossible for Team Angel and Team Buffy to place high because Team Dollhouse and Team Firefly just had more people participating and more people able to vote in DH and FF stuff.

Nowgold stepped into the comm and made a whole other post where we could express our concerns. She acted all very sweet to us, all smiles and Oh yes, those are good ideas.

Then she went over to the mod community and basically talked about deleting Team Angel and trash talking the people who made really good suggestions. Like I suggested splitting the voting by the shows so that everyone had to vote for every show. That would have helped Team Buffy out a lot and if they won stuff, they might have more participation and it would be more fun all around.

Basically she just wants people to tell her how awesome she is and if anyone tells her that she isn't awesome, she trashes them on the mod comm. It happened when people complained about the rape posts on the trash talk post. She is constantly complaining about members on the mod comm, from what I have heard.

And then she forced the Team Angel mods to post this:

As happy as I am that you guys were able to discuss your problems and concerns with nowgold, I'm not impressed with the way you all did it. I love hearing your opinions (which is one reason why you should have come to one of us mods so that we could handle it) but there is a time and a place for it, and nowgold provided one for you in the main community.

It made us look bad as a team, and it made me and sophie look bad as your mods. We are your team leaders and you shouldn't be afraid to come to either one of us when it comes to have a problem with the team comm or even the main comm. It caught us a big off guard that so many of you had so many concerns that you didn't feel that you could voice them properly. So, in the near future when someone has a problem or concern with any comm associated with whedonland please don't hestitate to contact either myself or sophie so that way we can deal with the concern or situation before we bring nowgold into the situation.

With that being said, there should be posts in the team comm to encourage team spirit, not posts discouraging it and building resentment. Team spirit is what helps us win point and a great motivator.

Due to what has happened today, there will be a few changes to the community. We will create an entry where you can post all concerns, suggestions, questions, or ideas. Of course we will still take personal messages, but this is a place all members can read and use. There will be other changes that will be addressed in future topics.

So let's all hug and make up and promise to be better, okay? You know we love all you lovely team angel members.


Which the Team Angel mods didn't even write. She wrote it. AND SHE MADE THE SUGGESTION POST FOR US TO POST ISSUES TO! How is that not liking the way we did it? I mean, you can see how it's basically spanking Team Angel for even saying they were unhappy. People said flat out in the post that they were scared to post on the main community because everyone on the poll post was all "oh this is so awesome hearts hearts".

I honestly have no problem c/ping the Team Angel threads and emailing them. People had valid concerns and suggestions which resulted in them because told to sit down, shut up, or be deleted.
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Deb: Dexter Doakes Mo Fodamnskippytoo on August 27th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
Man, girl, when you get pissed you do get righteous. LMAO! Look at all the evidence piling up. I LOVE IT!!

Sing on my little freedom bird.
Kellyxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 09:11 pm (UTC)
LMAO I love your Doakes icon.

And do you not remember what I did when people decided to post as Charisma?

I don't appreciate people who not only cheat, lie, but also are two faced and pick on my friends. Nobody fucks with my friends. Internet or not.
do do do dosentine on August 27th, 2009 08:56 pm (UTC)
And if you want to unfriend me because you think the sun shines out of her ass

LOL - and I thought unicorns were already doing great with rainbows ;)
Kelly: AD: Money or Candyxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 09:11 pm (UTC)
Chaaaaarrllliee, let's go to caaaandy mountaaain. LOL

Apparently now, since the people with problems left, she isn't going to change a thing, which we knew was going to happen.
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Ally: ANGEL - Darla Shockedgirly_scribbles on August 27th, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
Shit! This stuff is nuts.
I tend to run and hide in the face of drama, so applaud you for voicing your concerns and bringing this stuff to light.

I love all the shows and have really enjoyed the challenges (bar anything speedy lol), but I can't take all of the other stuff... hence the running and hiding.

I hope all of this doesn't affect your love of the fandom *hugs*
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 09:41 pm (UTC)
Well, I had my suspicions but when nowgold started messing with Sophie and threatening to delete Team Angel, who have really become my friends, I had enough. This stuff had to be brought to light.

And I've been in fandom long enough that I've done all kinds of drama. I just chalk this up to another yeah, shoulda known better. LOL
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acinogan: idk my bff boydacinogan on August 27th, 2009 09:28 pm (UTC)
oh, geez. sometimes i am so oblivious and naive. and i hate fandom wank so much. i should probably just get out now and use the time i spend there to do stuff that makes me feel happy instead of having to wade through drama. would a mass exodus of members from whedonland even make a ripple?

thanks for shedding a little more light. this info makes everything look different. arrrgggh, why don't i ever check my fpage BEFORE i go all verbal?!?!

oh, p. s. i'll follow you on twitter, too, if that's okay?
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
I like to think that if enough members left, it would make a ripple but in the long run, I think as long as nowgold has her and her friends there to pat on the back and award stuff too, it won't make a whole lot of difference. I just want people to join that comm and be members with eyes wide open.

And yes! Twitter followers are good. I will follow back. :)
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Nikki: ats: cordy hell yes!nikkiwawa79 on August 27th, 2009 09:31 pm (UTC)
Oh girrrrrrrrrrrrrrl! You're going all Veronica Mars in this bitch! I LOVE IT! :D

I'm about to leave WL in a few minutes. I'm done. One, for fucking with Sophie. That's a BIG NO NO. Two, I don't have time for two-face bitches. End of story. Do I really need to get Philly on their ass? I don't think they'd like it. I might even make them cry. So, I'm going to be the bigger person and bow out, quietly. Not like anyone will notice.

I LOVE the defriending disclaimer at the end lmfao
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 09:43 pm (UTC)
Well, I know a couple of people on my list, who I am not going to name, are going to c/p this entry right to and that is okay. She should know people are talking about it. I am half tempted to make it public but I'm worried about the heat it will bring down on Sophie. She doesn't deserve that.

I was so pissed last night, I almost went Philly on their asses. I had the post all done up and ready to go. But I decided to be better than them. Fuck em.
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Heather: BTVS - Fuffy 2americangrl69 on August 27th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
I actually saw this last night but am just now finding the time to comment. It's really pissing me off though. I was having a lot of fun there and had absolutely no idea that any of this was going on. I'm definitely leaving as soon as I hit 'submit'. Do you mind if I copy/paste some of your post and post it in my journal? I just have a lot of friends there too and I think they should all know about it as well.

nowgold posted this last night in Team Buffy. Thought it might interest you as well.

Dear Team Buffy

I've made a similar post in another team, where they felt a lot safer about telling me their concerns.

so PLEASE PLEASE give me feedback. I can't change things if i don't know whats wrong, and what your concerns are.

participation is low, and if it's something to do with the comm, i want to know.

SO please use this post to tell me anything. I PROMISE there will be no me getting angry (unless you call me names lol) just...go for it!

:D


She also posted this in the main comm either today. It may be nothing but it seems a little strange that she's doing this now after everything that's gone down.

Big Buddy program. - would you like a big buddy :D

Anyone who has joined and haven't really got their head around things, please sign here and i will assign you a big buddy.

new members will automatically be assigned a big buddy, but members that have already joined and would like one, please sign up here. Or use the post to ask any "that's a silly question" questions...they are probably not so silly!!!


It almost seems like another way for her to keep better tabs on what's going on. Especially since some of the 'big buddies' she's been assigning are on her flist.
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 09:45 pm (UTC)
Copy and paste whatever you like, spread it around. Just make sure to flock it so you don't get them wanking all over your LJ. I don't want them coming after Sophie AGAIN.

And that totally sounds exactly like what she is doing. Just keep tabs in case anyone starts to speak up, she can squish them.

Your team Buffy mod, if they aren't all team nowgold, should have been able to see all the threats and trash talking as well.
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Emilymalana on August 27th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC)
Ugh. That's so disgusting. I mean, I figured there was cheating going on. Of course there is, it's the nature of the beast. But to have the creator of the community being completely unwilling to do anything about it (and maybe even encouraging it) just pisses me off.

The two-facedness of it is what really gets to me. She *asked* for our opinions on it. So then she goes and bitches about it because people asked had critique and didn't flock to her saying how awesome and perfect everything is?

I think it's probably time to leave.
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 27th, 2009 09:54 pm (UTC)
See, I'm with you. The cheating, that happens all the times in all fandoms. I've dealt with it a ton at my community. Like you said, nature of the beast.

But to ask for our opinions and then at the same time, go to the mod community and bash members? Threaten to delete their team?

And now she's said there is no point in changing the rules because the people who had problems have left. Business as usual but that, again, was expected.
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Emily: Dollhouse-Mellie-Upsetmalana on August 27th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
Well, I tried to resist responding, not wanting the Angel mods to think that I'm pissed at them, but in the end I couldn't help it. After all, if she wrote the thing for them to post, I'm sure she's looking at the responses. http://community.livejournal.com/thefang_gang/68840.html
do do do dosentine on August 28th, 2009 12:02 am (UTC)
I hope I don't sound too nosy, but I'd be interested to read it- and of course can't, since I've left thefang_gang :)
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Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 28th, 2009 01:27 am (UTC)
Sure! I don't think I added your IM to my list and I don't remember it off the top of my head. I'm going to be on in about an hour or so if you want to talk then, if you are abouts.
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do do do dosentine on August 28th, 2009 01:44 am (UTC)


and now, I really go to bed ;)
Tracydream_infinity0 on August 28th, 2009 01:40 am (UTC)
wow i'm shocked..
i didn't think people would be doing silly stuff like this.

i don't blame you for speaking your mind. i have two communties i made and if someone tried to delete it i would be mad too.

hope it gets straighten out and some people show some respect this time
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 28th, 2009 03:48 am (UTC)
I don't think it will get sorted out until people stand up and leave. If anyone in my comm ever badmouthed members, they would be banned so fast, not encouraged.
Heather: BTVS - Mollyamericangrl69 on August 28th, 2009 03:38 am (UTC)
I just saw this post. Maybe she is trying to fix things. Well the cheating anyway. Maybe.

1. Graphics entries from now on will need have url's that are ANONYMOUS. This means you need to either upload to tinypic (you don’t have to sign up to upload there) or ask mods to upload to our whedonland photobucket account. This is because it’s possible that people are checking the entries to see who made them before voting. If this is happening, I want to stress how very not cool it is.

2. Remember when voting that people DO NOT always create art/fic that represents their team. For example, even though I represent team buffy at the moment, I often make fred or whiskey graphics, because I like Amy Acker. Voting for entries that are only based on your team’s show is vote stuffing, it won’t be allowed, and isn’t helping your team.

3. Voting will possibly be happening very differently soon. We’re still not sure about the specifics of this, but there will no longer be multiple prompts, so voting won’t be split into prompts. If it is split, all posts will contain the same number of entries. WE CAN’T MAKE VOTING EASIER, if there are 50 entries, then all 50 entries deserve to be read/looked at, and if you can’t do that, please don’t vote. We also will not count votes that are wrong, including voting for yourself or not voting for the correct number of entries.

I have updated the rules, and guides for begininers. I appreciate you taking the time to read these. YES they are long, but it does save you asking questions that i've already taken the time to answer. WE DO WELCOME questions though, because often thing seem straight forward to us, and aren’t always so.


Oh and I'm adding you on Twitter. I'm karmic_destiny on there. :D

Edited at 2009-08-28 03:38 am (UTC)
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 28th, 2009 03:47 am (UTC)
The thing is, she knew about the cheating, at least from the evidence I have. So all she is doing is trying to have people look at her left hand while her right hand is up to no good.

And even if it does change, it still doesn't excuse the fact that she based teams, members, and threatened to delete a team. If Laura made a post in Still Grrr and she started bashing you, her ass would be banned so fast from my comm. But nowgold allowed it and encouraged ru when they did it. That is just wrong.

Not to mention the fact she is still bullying a 15 yr old girl. STILL. It's just all around wrong and honestly, the only thing she could do to make things right at this point would be to hand the comm over to someone impartial, which probably won't be found.

(Didn't mean to come off as harsh, not mad at you at all. I'm pissed at her)
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Sunny: BSG Threesunny_serenity on August 28th, 2009 05:39 am (UTC)
Internet wank is so overrated. Seriously? Dumb. Fandom is supposed to be fun not high school.
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do do do dosentine on August 28th, 2009 10:45 pm (UTC)
While I think that team angel's mod did the best possible thing when she left -no community is worth being harassed- the bad taste in my mouth has turned into a little vomit.

I wish good luck to all the people staying there.
jehntjehnt on August 28th, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)
You know what? I'm fucking PISSED AS HELL RIGHT NOW.

NOBODY ever talked about deleting team angel. It was NEVER EVEN SUGGESTED. I don't know who the fuck came up with that, but it's LIES.

And nobody was trashed. The ONE thing that was said about anybody was that there is a certain member who refuses to follow the rules, even when they are clearly stated, and the mod wanted to know what she should do about it because it was frustrating her. THAT IS NOT TRASHING.

THAT IS SERIOUSLY IT.

AND NOBODY EVER FUCKING TRASHED TEAM BUFFY. BELIEVE ME, IF ANYBODY EVER TRASHED MY TEAM, I WOULD COME DOWN ON THEM LIKE A FUCKING NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST.

If you can't handle THAT, thank fucking god you're leaving.
Kelly: ATS: Team Angelxlivvielockex on August 29th, 2009 12:02 am (UTC)
I'm looking at it right now, the trashing of Team Angel by the mods while nowgold was smiling and treating everyone so nice at Team Angel.

And I don't care if someone has a problem with the rules or is not understanding something, you don't make a post bashing them. You be a responsible adult.

If you want to be part of a mod team that has no issue bashing teams and players, that is your choice. I'm sure if it was your team, you'd be singing a different tune. I'm sure if you were forced to post something on your team comm, spanking your members for speaking out, you'd be just as mad as us.

The reason I left is because nowgold is clearly two faced, saying one thing while bashing another team. And she's been harassing a kid for the past four days. That is the kind of person you want to stand up for, go for it.
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